Interview: Polaris Banks, Director of Casey Jones
- September 21st, 2011
- By Rob
- Write comment
By Rob Siebert
Editor, Fanboy Wonder
It takes a pretty ambitious filmmaker to tackle the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and their world. But Polaris Banks does it in his new 35-minute fan film, Casey Jones, which can be seen for free at CaseyJonesTheMovie.com.
The film focuses on Casey Jones, a hockey mask wearing, hockey stick swinging vigilante who frequently partners with the Turtles. With a gritty, street-level tone, the movie sees Jones go from an overconfident hockey player, to the rage-fueled anti-hero Turtles fans know and love.
Banks wore several hats for the film. He directed, wrote, edited, executive produced, and handled the cinematography. He also appeared in the film as Sid, Casey’s cousin. Banks recently took the time to correspond with Primary Ignition about Casey Jones.
1. Can you tell us a bit about yourself? Your info says you’re an actor from Texas. Have you been performing long? Have you made previous films?
I’ve known that I wanted to direct movies since I was seven years old, and I’ve been doing so ever since. Casey Jones is the first film that I’ve decided to openly release, though. My other movies were more practice and experimentation, acquiring the skills to tell the kind of stories I’m interested in sharing. I initially got into performing to better understand how to communicate with actors, and it has really been invaluable in getting what I need out of a rehearsal.
2. How long have you been a Ninja Turtles fan? Given the music in the trailer and the look of Casey’s mask, I’ve got to assume at least as far back as the original Steve Barron film. Are you at all interested in Nickelodeon’s upcoming series?
Being born in the mid ’80s, I grew up watching the earliest versions of the Ninja Turtles since as far back as I can remember. My favorite is still the Steve Barron live action film, but I’ll always be fond of the first cartoon series as well. I actually got into the original run of the Mirage comics while researching for Casey Jones. They had a huge influence on how I decided to make the movie, especially the lighting and art design.
I’m a little dubious about the new television show from Nickelodeon. Modern children’s animation is mostly all flash and no heart, and the advertising for the new series hasn’t convinced me that this will be an exception. If they want to bring me back audience members, the new series needs to be charming most of all. Old animated shows from the ’90s like Batman: The Animated Series and Gargoyles set the bar pretty high for children’s adventure programming. I’d really like to see a TMNT show with that much thoughtful directing.
3. Tell us about Casey Jones. What’s the film about? Where does it take us?
There’s a brief period in Casey’s history, after he becomes a vigilante and before he befriends the Ninja Turtles, that is undocumented in any previous version of the TMNT. It’s a time when Casey stalked the streets alone, without any crime fighting partners to prevent him from acting on his brutal impulses. That is the what our movie depicts. It’s an uncensored look at the dangerous path Casey was headed down before the Ninja Turtles intervened to keep him from going over the edge. It focuses less on his origins and more on what he does before and after his transformation. The movie is not a literal translation of any one version of Casey’s beginnings. It is its own entity that draws heavily from the incarnations that came before. Because the movie didn’t have to answer to any studio though, we were able to take the character to a much darker place than he’s ever been in a motion picture.
4. How did Casey Jones come about? When did this idea first come to the surface?
I’ve directed a variety of different genres, but my specialty has always been action/adventure. The idea came to me when my roommate Oliver Luke sculpted a miniature Michelangelo statue as a birthday present for my actor friend Chris Frasier. Oliver is a talented special effects artist who had always wanted to do a full creature suit, and being a big fan of Mikey, Chris already knew the character thoroughly and is an expert with nunchucks. So they made the perfect team to put together a terrific Michelangelo performance. My actor brother Hilarion also always strongly resembled Casey Jones to me. So a Casey Jones and Michelangelo team-up movie seemed like the perfect project to best utilize the resources that were available, and once the concept had entered my mind, I was way too excited about it to not follow through. It was exactly the kind of film I’d want to see as an audience member myself.
5. Taking on a project this ambitious must have been intimidating. Between conception and completion, how long was the film in development? What’s the run time on it?
I was never really intimidated by the project. I was confident from the start that me and my team could pull it off. I just hadn’t proved it yet. Believe it or not, the original script was even more ambitious. I just pushed the limits as far as I could, making cuts and adjustments along the way when necessary, but I think everyone involved was surprised at just how much of the screenplay made it into the film. Often on set, I’d explain to the cast and crew what I wanted for the shot, and they’d say, “Well I don’t know how the hell you plan on doing that, but I’m in.” The trick was just taking it one step at a time.
A big movie like this seems daunting on such a limited budget, but if you break it down to what each individual shot requires, it’s very doable. Because Hilarion was attending UCLA at the time, we could only shoot in Texas on his quarterly breaks, which slowed production down quite a bit. We utilized the time while he was in class though to fabricate the elaborate practical effects. Post production was also an extended process because the audio professionals could only work on the film between higher paying gigs. Over all, we picked at the project for a little over two years. We treated it more like a hobby than a job, but time is money. So if you don’t have enough money, you have to spend more time. The length of the movie is 35 minutes all together. At first I was planning on making it around 10 minutes long, but since this could be the only solo film the character ever gets, I wanted to make sure to take the time to tell the story right.
6. One thing that really struck me about the trailer was the intensity that seemed to radiate off the character. He’s smashing things in a junkyard, he’s doing pull ups off a fire escape, he’s smashing people in the head with hockey sticks. Obviously that’s a side of Casey we’ve seen time and time again. But was that something Hilarion Banks brought to the table himself, or did you need to push that? Were you looking to see something akin to what Elias Koteas brought to the table in the Barron film?
My brother Hilarion and I collaborated very closely on the character. It was not an effortless transformation. From the first rehearsal, it was clear that I wanted something very specific, and Hilarion’s performance I nit picked constantly up until we began shooting. Casey is a delicate balance of naivete, sadism, ego, recklessness, and downright crazy. If you let one of those elements take over too much, the whole thing falls apart. It would have been easy to just do another Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver, but Casey is more complicated than that.
The challenge with Casey is that he’s a despicable person in a lot of ways. He’s often cruel, self centered, chauvinistic, and confrontational, even more than your average antihero. It’s really easy to lose the audience’s favor with such an extreme personality. So what Hilarion brought to it, which is the most important part, is undeniable likability. Casey needs to be naturally playful and fun to even out his dark side, and Hilarion has that in spades. So once the cameras started rolling, Hilarion brought the charm, and I made sure to keep pushing his malicious tendencies. What we came up with was just the right mixture. Yes, we wanted to make sure not to lose the great elements that Elias Koteas (shown right) brought to the character, but I wanted something beyond just imitating what was done before. Our version is an attempt to incorporate the essential parts from every previous incarnation. We trimmed away the fat to find the through line that connects all the portrayals, looking for the overall essence of what makes the character so great. Then once we had that base, we added our own unique touches.
7. I’m always interested to see how the process works when directors appear in their own films, and what it’s like for them to essentially direct themselves. In this film, you appear as Sid Jones, Casey’s cousin. How big is Sid’s role in the film, and what was it like to appear on camera in your own film?
I actually appear in almost all the movies I direct. It’s not as much of a challenge to act while you’re directing. It’s more difficult to direct while you’re acting. In order for the performance to come off well, I can’t pay any attention to the camera and crew at all. So I have to work with people that I really trust in order to let go. The trick is being as thorough and articulate about what you want as possible. Then they can just let you know from take to take if they got what you need. Clear communication is the most important part of directing. You save a lot of time not having to re-explain everything. As for the acting process, I don’t have a director to guide me through the performance, and there’s usually not enough time to watch playback. So I just have to be as well prepared as possible beforehand. All the experimentation and fine tuning is done several nights before the shoot, so that I can focus instead on directing the other actors in the scene. Sid plays a small role in the film, but his appearances are key to the plot development.
8. Robbie Rist, who provided the voice for Michaelangelo in the Steve Barron film, as well as the second and third movies, also provides the character’s voice in your movie. How did that come about, and how much did you geek out when you heard him voice the character again?
Hiring Robbie Rist was actually suggested to me by Josh Yawn, the voice of Leonardo in our movie. He had met Robbie before and offered to contact him about reprising his role. Rist was up for it immediately after seeing the footage, but it took months and months of hounding to finally get him into the recording room. It was a pretty surreal experience to hear the words I had written being spoken by the real Michelangelo himself, but I geeked out even more once I set the dialogue to picture. Mikey came to life, fully resurrected from my childhood. There was one heartbreaking moment though. While recording the dialogue, I mentioned a “shell shock,” and Robbie didn’t know what that was. He said he hadn’t really seen the movies since they first came out. How could the real Mikey not know what a “shell shock” is?!
9. Bringing an anthropomorphic turtle to life would be a challenge for ANY studio. How did you pull the Michelangelo costume(s) together? What’s it made out of? How difficult (if at all) was it for Chris Fraiser to maneuver in it?
The costume was by far the biggest challenge we faced, but it all came together thanks to the brilliant work of our special effects designer, Oliver Luke. All in all, we toiled over the creature suit construction for almost a year. Studios use dozens of people to do the same job that four of us took on, and without the use of the advanced equipment they implement either. There were many failures, and a lot of expensive materials were wasted. We ended up making the main body suit out of slip cast latex. Foam latex would have been much lighter, but we didn’t have the proper facilities to make a piece that big. It took weeks for the latex to set in the huge cast. I ended up using the film’s lighting equipment as heat lamps to speed up the process. The hands, head, and feet were made of dragon skin silicon, which had to be constantly replaced as the stunt performers wore them out. It was not too restrictive at first, but as the Texas heat got to the performers inside, they would swell up, limiting their movement. Sweat would pour from Frasier’s hands, making it very difficult to use his nunchucks. Most nights we could only do three separate set-ups maximum, because any more would cause the body suit performer to get heat exhaustion.
All in all, the suit weighed about 50 pounds, making the acrobatic stunts much more cumbersome. Michelangelo was actually played by six different specialty performers. Chris Frasier handled the close-ups and nunchuck choreography. Marty Moreno did much of the full body acting. Victor Zorilla performed the amazing kicks and flips, and a few others filled in when these three weren’t available. As you can imagine, putting six different people into the same tailor fitted turtle suite became very uncomfortable, but they all showed incredible strength, pushing through each take until they got it right.
10. The stunts in this film appear to be very ambitious. Do you recall which one was the most challenging to pull off?
While in the full Michelangelo body suit, stunt performer Devin Martin did a front flip off of a one story ledge onto a single mattress below. I’m sure that took a lot of guts. We only got a few tries to make it work, but the results look incredible.
11. What do you hope viewers will be thinking as they walk out of Casey Jones?
I want them to feel like kids again, walking out of the first live action Ninja Turtles movie back in 1990. This project was an attempt to a recapture the feeling that the original movie series encited in its viewers, only those children are all grown up now. So the movie has to engage them on a more mature level as well.
12. What’s next for you? Obviously a film like this is a nice addition to anyone’s resume. Where do you go from here?
I have a few features I’d like to get started on, but I’ll have to see what kind of interest this movie generated before I decide on what project to push forward next.
14. Anything else you’d like to add?
A lot of the fans are confused as to why I decided to go with Michelangelo instead of Raphael, but when you change the point of view of the story, other elements have to adjust as well. I wanted this film to be able to stand alone as its own entity. So I had to make my story decisions with that in mind. Mikey makes a much better foil for Casey Jones as a character. They’re complete opposites. Using Raphael would have just been one hothead antagonizing another. In the original comic book first meeting, Raphael is in a much softer mood because of a sobering incident with the other Turtles, but in a Casey Jones centered film, we don’t get that back story to explain Raphael’s temporary change in demeanor.
Also, Michelangelo is the least explored Turtle as an action hero. His dazzling nunchuck technique and flare for acrobatics are often passed over because of their technical difficulty, but I wanted to break new ground. I think once the fans watch the completed movie, they will see just how well the scenes play with Mikey, and Casey has already had notable team ups in the comic books with Raphael, Donatello, April, and Splinter. So his chemistry with Michelangelo is something new to explore.
Front page image from twothreefive.com. Banks image from myspace.com. Image 2 from caseyjonesthemovie.com. Image 3 from toyriffic.blogspot.com. Koteas image from trailershut.com. Image 5 from nerdreactor.com. Behind the scenes image from jessecrouch.com. Image 7 from gogreenmachine.org.











































